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White Gravy
Hive Bee
posted 02-09-2000 10:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for White Gravy      Reply w/Quote
Maybe this post will off-load some NewBee questions from the suffering bastards in the Dept. of Redundancy Dept. If you're new to this then these are the people busy setting the pace who, for some reason, still take the time to help a NewBee like myself.

I'm going to outline a procedure, not a recipe. It worked for me but not the first time.

First, if you do not know chemistry then go to Worlock's site and start reading. It's concise, very practical, and well structured for beginners. Maybe he will follow this up with a link to it, but I won’t bee that presumptuous.

Second, get good at using this here search engine. Also, you shouldn't even think of posting here until you have successfully failed at least one reaction. Nothing needs to be asked to attempt your first reaction: it’s all written down. If you do not do the first two things then from here on will mean nothing to you.

Third, make sure you're ready to attempt a reaction. It's not just acquisition and mixing. It's finding the time and place and assessing and minimizing the risks to yourself and everybody else. Get your ducks in a row and don't tell anybody because you're probably just going to fail at first. This is normal. You can read about landing a 747 but until you sit in the simulator and crash a few times...
Either do it or stay on the porch.

Fourth, you should have a brain and be able to ask specific questions in a coherent manor. Use adjectives liberally when outlining a scenario. The accuracy of your replies will be directly proportional to the accuracy of your queries. It also helps greatly to kiss ass such as "man, all these knowledgeable people must get really sick of hearing the same thing from chem idiots like myself." If you can't do this, then go suck a cock. Being humble is easy, cheap, and may get you where you want to be. Being a dickhead should be a long-term goal.

Now, this part of the procedure is where the rubber meets the road. It can yield personal quantities of gofast using OTC ingredients with apparatus that the cops would be embarrassed to actually bust you with.

The ingredients:
3 grams of clean E freebase. The E was not washed in acetone but probably should be - I just hate the stuff. I then dried thoroughly and ground until very fine.

8 total grams of matchbook RP. 7 grams had been pre-reacted at least once. Basically followed Aqua-Girls cleaning summary in this post. The RP was also pulverized with a screen ala Worlock. Not fine, not really really small, but dusted and very DRY.

10 total grams of iodine obtained from 7% tincture via Worlock method #1. NOTE: precipitate sat for hours and formed unusually long crystals. Either that or my eyes were fucked up.

The Push/Pull Unit
Two, 1 liter coke bottles and a reaction vessel made from a 6 1/2 oz. jar of artichoke hearts - empty. This vessel was chosen simply because it is very small and concentrates the reactants. All tubing is aquarium tubing fit snugly through holes and hot-glued liberally. I have a second hole in the lid of the reaction vessel that hosts a short length of tube (about 5 inches) that I stopper with a syringe filled with 3% peroxide.

The Reaction
Again, the RP and E are super dry and super fine. The iodine was mostly dry but still would tend to clump a little. All equipment was thoroughly washed and DRY.
The E freebase and 5 grams of iodine were added to the jar and sealed. In this case they reacted to form a homogenous sludge after just a minute or two in a warm bath.
6 grams of RP was added to the mixture followed immediately by 3 more grams of iodine. The lid was quickly replaced and one shake set the sucker off. Almost immediately got a strong, continuous push with most of the water from the first bottle going into the second (they were equal to start, just under half full each.)
For a good description on how to ride a reaction for all it's worth, see Worlock's comments in this post.
The pull was a more gradual affair. No big whoosh, just happened to notice water levels changed while trying to see what was going on inside the vessel and acting to sustain it.
When all was calm I added the rest of the RP and I2 and she cooked a while longer, though not nearly as intense as at the beginning.
With this small amount, the reaction was over in probably 5 to 10 minutes. I didn't think to time it.

The Extraction
Added some dH2O and started filtering. I too ended up with a strange, gelatinous-like mass in my reaction vessel that Aqua-Girl referred to as a glueball in this post. This was a bad sign for her but I didn't know about it so all was well for me (I love quantum mechanics.)
The first thing I noticed while A/Bing was how clean the interface was compared to my other four failed reactions. After adding fuel and basifying, I already had a near mirror interface.
The last part is the part that I still don't feel I have under control. I got lucky this time but in general, with these small amounts, I tend to want to guess as close as I can at the initial acidification so I don't have to keep taking samples and possibly lose product. If you don't know logarithms, then you'll have fun here too. I do know them and still screw it up. A lot for a little to start, a little for a lot at the end.

Results
I didn't do anything fancy when forming crystals because I was just hoping to get some. I did and we tried it.
It was good, made even better because it was my own.
Then everybody died
No. We're getting ready to duplicate and improve.


Conclusion
I didn't know step one a couple of months ago. Now I'm well along to being a self supplier. It will be a while before I can contribute any chem knowledge, but in the meantime empirical results can sometimes provide useful - If nothing else than to absorb a couple of lame-ass NewBee questions. HA HA!

And if this didn't get the message across, then I'll pass you off to mrr pyrex over here.

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I do remember. I just don't remember as severely as I should.
Ozzy Ozbourne

acyl aZide
Hive Bee
posted 02-09-2000 11:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for acyl aZide      Reply w/Quote
Nice right up White! You can tell that youve actually dreamt this. How did you come up with the freeBase? I guess that is the other half of the whole. Do matches really suck? Sorry!

aqua-girl
Hive Bee
posted 02-10-2000 03:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aqua-girl      Reply w/Quote
It's starting. 3 now in 2 days. They can't stop this. Everyone who pulls this off- make as many notes as you can. Tell everyone you know that can use this compound responsibly.

Hmmm... so the limiting factor may not have been the glueball problem. The friend that is holding my glassware (heh, a 50ml flask. not much glass) reproduced my results sometime last night or today. Also did not have the sweet smelling glueball. (note for those who might be wondering- the sweet smell was not pfed or pfed base)

pebble
Hive Bee
posted 02-10-2000 04:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pebble      Reply w/Quote
So, you are now the gravey on the potatos. Selling will get your ass busted! New cooks like to brag a little, end result: that's right baby

O.K., if you did accomplish this without the aid of someone helping or showing you than you really did accomplish this. I remember the first time I ever had a good dream. I did it from the begining and have ever since .

It's all a matter of knowing what your half way doing anyway (now, this would have to be clarifed, get my point). When you have a base or foundation to start upon, you will in fact develop your own style and way of doing this. Through trial and error you will learn and it will get engrafted in your head as you perfect your technique. Then will come ease and peace of mind. However, always open minded to new ideas that are logical or not so logical. Just make sure you have enough chemicals to play with, or you might get back nothing in an attempt to venture onward, do take risk though, but understand certain principles and guidelines before setting out physicaly to do this. Happy dreaming and keep us informed.

Pebble

White Gravy
Hive Bee
posted 02-10-2000 11:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for White Gravy      Reply w/Quote
Thanks Pebble.

I'm still sucking all your brains and I need to get a good set of books.

I'm careful but not paranoid.

methhead
Hive Bee
posted 02-10-2000 09:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for methhead      Reply w/Quote
aqua girl, i did not see your post of the
glueball, but i have had different things
happen to my crap and still come out with
product......like sometimes the r is hard
as a rock, and other times its very sludgy.
I think this is from the wax, if you didn't
get it out, like sometimes i don't. And,
i've also noticed that the sweet smell, is
the smell of Meth.....a good indicator that
everything went fine.......I know that if I
don't have that certain sweet smell, then
something wrong happened......but when i have
that smell, i know it's success!

pebble
Hive Bee
posted 02-10-2000 11:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pebble      Reply w/Quote
Hell yes methhead, when this sweet smell comes, for me it's right after the second reaction which is the mother, I know I'm there. I've seen all these damn oils as well. Like you, I'm getting product and this is first priority right now. anyway, it appears that we are all getting reamed at this point But at least I'm getting back dope

Pebble

methhead
Hive Bee
posted 02-11-2000 01:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for methhead      Reply w/Quote
pebble, what do you mean by you're getting
reamed?........

Methamphibian man
Hive Bee
posted 02-11-2000 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Methamphibian man      Reply w/Quote
What sweet smell?? more like stank smell I'd say.

White Gravy
Hive Bee
posted 02-11-2000 01:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for White Gravy      Reply w/Quote
Pebble, if by "reamed" you mean pill gakk, I've only had problems with pills clearly marked as having providone. I'm saying this after just failing another attempt at the above reaction. This one scaled up to a whopping 5g's. I think it was in my extraction though.

Question: what is coming through my extraction that forms crystals during evap but tastes extremely sharp? I wash carefully and willingly sacrefice small amounts when moving between water/fuel to make sure I have only one or the other. I've had this happen a couple of times now.

aqua-girl
Hive Bee
posted 02-11-2000 02:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aqua-girl      Reply w/Quote
When I first started trying to make my own, I too associated the sweet smell with the product- this was when I was trying larger scale, with quality redP. I always got product back when I had this smell, so I made a (perhaps incorrect) association here)

When the narcoswine took my redP away, I played around with making methcathinone for a little while. The sweet smell also popped up here. After reading a bunch of stuff, it turns out the sweet smell was benzaldehyde.

Have played with A/B'ing street stuff I knew was good. Like methamphibian said- it doesn't smell real good.

Things I (think) I know now.

pfed/efed (base and hcl) smells kind of sickly sweet.

benzaldehyde (busted up pfed/efed) smells sweet- pistacio ice cream

methamphetamine freebase & hcl smells kind of like stinky socks (someone somewhere said stinky gym socks, but I haven't had much experience smelling guys gym socks )

anyone have any corrections to this? These are just what I've come up with by my own trial and errors, and comparing with peoples writings.

Hematite
Hive Bee
posted 02-11-2000 03:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hematite      Reply w/Quote
AG, The mention of stinky socks takes me back to when I used to reflux HI for long hours. That smell apon completion was a sign of success. But oh my the recovery from a stint on some of that gear was something else.
I have not noticed the scent with the limited P/P experience I've had and always wondered about it.

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Regards, Hematite.

Stonium
Hive Bee
posted 02-11-2000 03:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stonium      Reply w/Quote
Well, my God. Looky what the cat drug in...

Where the hell you been Heme? Had me and dwarfer worried, ya' did. Good to see you're apparently alive and well.

Please send more art post-haste!

Stoniwon

methhead
Hive Bee
posted 02-11-2000 04:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for methhead      Reply w/Quote
white gravy- i believe those crystals are either lye, or unreacted pseudo......i had
added wayyyyy to much lye one time, and had those crystals form, however, i believe my reaction failed at the same time, so i'm not sure which it was.......but it's either lye, or unreacted pseudo cuz i've never had it happen again.......

White Gravy
Hive Bee
posted 02-11-2000 05:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for White Gravy      Reply w/Quote
Thanks methhead. I think it was lye. Mmm tasty. Weird thing is they form fairly early in the evap.

dwarfer
Hive Bee
posted 02-11-2000 08:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dwarfer      Reply w/Quote
yeah, Hema: figerred i made your "asshole" list or something. Howze the sno level??
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MORE PICTURES: shit I need your inspiration soze i can get Osmonium off'n my case.

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dwrfr

pebble
Hive Bee
posted 02-12-2000 01:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pebble      Reply w/Quote
O.K., The sweet smell is not no fucking CAT. I have made both and know what I'm talking about. This also comes from using Hypophosphorus acid and not R.P. Even though some of you said that you got one. Before the conversion it stinks so bad I can hardly get a wiff of it. It sends me back across the room sometimes it's so bad. After the final reaction it begins to clear up and go to a golden oil or a very clear oil with a touvh of yellow. I've noticed the clearer is always better, even though I always see pictures of the real yellow oil. It also appears to be the average "look" for most people, as for as the outcome of the cook. The sweet smell is bearable and sometimes I'll take a little in and get high just from the vapor.

Methhead, what knid of question is that. Yes, I'm getting back dope and haven't had any real problems at all with Povidone. That doesn't change the fact that it still fuckes with me and pisses me off. This is what I mean by reamed. Now, these are the facts and the truth. I don't care about anyones theories about smells and other shit. I just know what I know

Maybe I'm being an ass, but I see people who want to learn and help and other who don't know shit and act like their a fucking expert or just a fucking ego manic who wants to impress others with their knowledge.

Anyway, I've made some observations with different things here latly and think I see a pattern with some things. I'll reply in one of my post.

Pebble


pebble
Hive Bee
posted 02-12-2000 01:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pebble      Reply w/Quote
Oh, aqua-girl, this was not to be implied to you necessary. For you left the door open that you were unsure about the smell, etc. Just making observation you say.

Methhead, I don't jnow if you're gay, but I was wondering why you were so concerned about the word "reamed" and what I meant by it when the context it was used in applied that "THE DAMN PILLS CAN BE A PAIN IN THE ASS!" O.K., happy dreaming. However, I'm still wondering if some of your fuck up are the pills are just fuck ups and the pills are a good way to justify it? Just wondering?

Pebble

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